<p>Philippe Sands, author of East West Street and The Ratline, joins Al and James to discuss the extraordinary war time stories he unearthed in his research. In this first episode he talks about Hans Frank, the Nazi ruler of Poland, and Frank’s son Niklas, who once said: “I don’t agree with the death penalty, except for my father.”</p><br><p>https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-ratline/philippe-sands/2928377034016</p><br><p>Join the We Have Ways members’ club now for £5 a month using the link below:</p><p>Patreon.com/wehaveways</p><br><p>A Goalhanger Films production</p><p>Produced by Joey McCarthy</p><p>Exec Producer Tony Pastor</p><p>Twitter: #WeHaveWays</p><p>@WeHaveWaysPod</p><p>Email: wehavewayspodcast@gmail.com</p><br><p> Hosted on Acast. See <a href="https://acast.com/privacy">acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p><p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p>